Democrats, unite NOW against sexism and racism or die under Republican tyranny.

A few months ago I wrote a diary explaining why I supported John Edwards, in that diary, I proffered  a small, rarely discussed thought.  Politically incorrect as it may be, I suggested that America was too sexist to vote for a woman and too racist to vote for an African American.  Now we are approaching the end of our primary season and it is undeniable that we will have an historic nominee, either the first woman or an African American man, both of whom would make a far better President than anyone on the Republican side of the aisle.  That is a fact that cannot be ignored. Yet on this very site, MyDD, we have many people who have openly declared that they would rather vote for McCain, or not vote at all, as opposed  to voting for the eventual Democratic nominee, if  that nominee was not " THIER " choice during the primary season.  We've all seen it, we could probably all name those people, but it serves no purpose to do so, just as it serves no purpose to turn against the Democratic party now, because your candidate didn't win the nomination.  Rather than tearing our candidates apart limb from limb, we need to begin the discussion of why BOTH these candidates will be great Presidents and why BOTH these candidates are worthy of our support.  We need to show America that Democrats, regardless of gender or race, are superior leaders.  We cannot do that when we spent every minute of every day attacking our own.

More blow the fold...

We all remember Ralph Nader's excoriation that 'there was no difference between Al Gore and George Bush".,  can anyone here seriously tell me that they believe that to be true?  I'd be happy to debate anyone who can answer in the affirmative.  So now, as we approach the end of our season.  I wonder if it's possible for people to begin to focus on how we are going to convince America that a woman is capable of leading them, or how an African American could likewise lead our nation.  Maybe I am wrong, maybe Americans suddenly pulled the veil off and are no longer the sexist,  racist nation in which I grew up.  In 66 years, I've seen tremendous change and movement, but my question is, have we arrived?  I think we are closer than ever, but I don't think we are there yet.  I think we are doing our party, our future and our nation a great disservice by the relentless attacks we hurl at each other  on this site.  At a time when we should be rejoicing at the prospect of putting one of two, great Democratic candidates in the White House, we are instead trashing them both.

I was invited to a friends home for dinner last night, she had friends visiting from New Hampshire. We watched the debate together before dinner and then spent the better part of the meal discussing our current political situation.  We all had different choices on who we voted for and why, but we were unanimous in acknowledging that no one can turn a sure win into a defeat, faster than the Democrats.

The debate last night was ugly, there is no other way to describe it.  I could tell you when each candidate was condescending to the other, or was flat out telling lies about the other.  What I couldn't tell you is how the performance last night did anything to convince those "other" Americans that an historic candidate would or should be their choice for President.  

So what do we, as loyal Democrats do to make our case to America?  Apparently we attach each other.  This point has been made several times in the last few days, by several people including the moderators,  but I am going to put it out there one more time.

Now is the time for us to stop attacking each other with  diaries that are full of contempt for our Democratic nominees.  If you want to tell us why your candidate should be President, is it too much to ask that you do so without mocking or denigrating the other candidate?  You don't come off as being very democratic when the majority of what you write is "anti" the other candidate as opposed to "pro" your candidate.  When I hear people mock Hillary for being "shrill", or Barack for being an "empty suit",  I can honestly tell you I wonder what has happened to my party. I say my party because it was my party before most of you were born, and damn it I want it back.  I want Truman's universal health care.  I want JFK's Camelot. I want LBJ's great society.  I don't want and don't appreciate the incessant sniping between Democrats that goes on here on this site.  We all know there are Republican trolls that come here to stir up shit, and I hope they all get troll rated out of existence, but what about "us"?  Why do we feed on each other.  Why is it so difficult to understand that BOTH candidates would be great Presidents?   If YOU, don't or won't understand that simple fact then please leave, or at the very least stop spewing your propaganda and just pay attention to those who do understand. You might learn something.

Now, before I get attacked by the Obama supporters who will call me a Hilbot, and before I get attacked by the Clinton supporters who will call me an Obamabot,l et me assure both sides I would vote for either candidate in the GE without hesitation.  A few months ago I might not have been able to say that, you see I too held the partisan belief that my candidate was the only one who could save our country for the Republican disaster that began with Ronald Reagan and ran pretty much unimpeded ever since.

It looks to me like Obama is going to be our nominee, but what do I know, I supported Edwards, it also looks to me like the Clinton supporters on this site, who also see this trend, are becoming increasingly acerbic in their protestations of Obama.  Conversely, the Obama supporters on this site are becoming increasingly dismissive of Clinton.  This just does not serve our party. Let this be a plea for civility, because we all need each other, and we would all be better than any republican.



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I Agree...BUT... (2.00 / 1)

Cats,

You are on point, and totally correct.  But I have learned the hard way that NOW is not the time to make the clarion call for unity.  To use a terribly lame metaphor, not only has the scab formed, but the final wound has yet to be inflicted.

The HRC folks have to let OH/TX?VT/RI play out before anyone SHOULD consider uniting behind Barack.  They LOVE their canidate, have fought beside her, and still beleive in her.  

I for one, have come around, that those considerations, for the moment, trump any other consideration.  We, their brothers and sisters in the progressive movement OWE them this.  

Don't get me wrong...I like what you are saying...let's just give it until the end of next week.

Peace ALL,

Rob


by a gunslinger on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:24:44 PM EST

Re: I Agree...BUT... (2.00 / 1)

Thank you, and I agree Hillary needs to stay in this race, for our party, for her supporters and the nation.

I also know what a wound feels like, as no one, including Clinton supporters can claim the media ignored their candidate more than they ignored and belittled my candidate, Edwards.  So I thoroughly  understand what a wound feels like and how long it takes to heal

I hope to see many positive diaries and comments about BOTH candidates. At the same time, I am so tired, SO TIRED of the "anti" diaries.  I like to think of myself as a fair minded person, but honestly, there are people on this site, who when I see their screen name, I instantly put up my troll guard and get defensive, and that hurts me because it means some person has gotten under my skin to the extent that I'm not even myself anymore.


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:54:33 PM EST
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Re: I Agree...BUT... (none / 0)

I haven't seen you on this site before. Where have you been hiding out?

Not very observant are you?

Here's my first diary, posted November 20th, 2days before my 65th birthday, but you would have known that if you actually paid attention instead of participating in "group think"

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/11/20/131 613/74#readmore

As for your diary, it is a comment, no matter how you want to spin it.

It really is too bad that so many people simply refuse to pay attention, but rather glomb together in a group "think mentality" that makes them all look a bit foolish.


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:31:22 PM EST
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yesm but...a correction (none / 0)

that's scab NOT formed...God...what have i written?  Whatta terrible metaphor.  

Is there writer's prison anywhere?  SHEESH!


by a gunslinger on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:26:10 PM EST

Vent (2.00 / 1)

"That is a fact that cannot be ignored. Yet on this very site, MyDD, we have many people who have openly declared that they would rather vote for McCain, or not vote at all, as opposed  to voting for the eventual Democratic nominee, if  that nominee was not " THIER " choice during the primary season."

OK, I'm going to vent a little.

These people are:

1)  Venting on an online forum.  If they were Democrats and were surrounded by "real life" friends who were also Democrats, its much less likely they could defend a "stay at home" or "vote for McCain" approach.  Online forums allow one to voice opinions one would not do in person.

2)  Venting eight months before an election.  I remember when Dean lost there was a paltable disappointment on online forums.  We got over it.

3)  Utterly sincere and by all indications a small minority of actual, real life Hillary Clinton supporters come November.

In addition, I can only speak for myself on this one, but I'm not increasingly dismissive of Hillary.   I am certainly dismissive of her campaign, and certainly have fun dismissing the arguments thrown out by supporters here, but not the Senator.  She's a good candidate undone by a horrific campaign and a once-in-a-generation opposing camapign.  


by ChrisR on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:45:18 PM EST

My message to the (none / 0)

candidates: "Earn my vote."


I want my UHC!
by votermom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 03:52:31 PM EST

Re: My message to the (none / 0)

Is there any Democratic candidate in this Presidential election cycle who has NOT earned your vote?


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 04:23:18 PM EST
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You're kidding, right? (none / 0)

Only three have so far. Out of the original 8.


I want my UHC!
by votermom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:42:43 PM EST
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Re: You're kidding, right? (none / 0)

Those three would be?


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:43:57 PM EST
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Read my sig (none / 0)

That makes it obvious.


I want my UHC!
by votermom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:48:18 PM EST
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Re: Read my sig (none / 0)

Oh, but enlighten me please.  I'm afraid old folks like me have very bad short term memories.  

Who were/are the 3 who would give us Universal Health Care?


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:50:40 PM EST
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Re: Read my sig (none / 0)

DK,
JRE,
.
.
.
HRC

I want my UHC!
by votermom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 06:01:48 PM EST
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Re: Read my sig (none / 0)

I actually knew that, just wanted you to confirm it.

Being a supporter of JRE myself, for many reasons, UHC was not the deciding factor.  We both know ONLY DK's plan was actually universal single payer health care.

John Edwards "claimed" to have the same mandate as Hillary Clinton does, but a closer look at his plan, tells a different story.

http://www.johnedwards.com/about/issues/ health-care-overview.pdfboth

Finally: Individual Responsibility. Once insurance is affordable, everyone will be expected to take responsibility for themselves and their families by obtaining health coverage. Some Americans will obtain coverage from public programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP and others will get coverage through their jobs. Other families can buy insurance through the regional Health Care Markets. Special exemptions will be available in cases of extreme financial hardship or religious beliefs.

Now remember this is my candidate,  but clearly there is NO mandate, there is an "expectation" that people will purchase coverage ONCE it becomes affordable. There is also no reference to what steps would be taken if people did not purchase insurance.

Here then is Hillary's health care plan. It does have a "mandate", but no reference to what steps would be taken if people did not purchase coverage.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/he althcareplan/americanhealthchoicesplan.p df

Hillary Clinton's American Health
Choices Plan is based on the principle of shared responsibility. This plan ensures that all who benefit
from the system contribute to its financing and management. Specifically, responsibilities include:
* Insurance and Drug Companies: For insurers, to end discrimination based on pre-existing
conditions or expectations of illness and ensure high value for every premium dollar; and
for drug companies, to offer fair prices and accurate information;
* Individuals: To get and keep insurance in a system where insurance is affordable and
accessible;

I do have questions about a plan that mandates participation but gives no indication of how the mandate would or could be enforced.  I suspect it could not be enforced and is therefore a meaningless mandate.  How could we find and mandate insurance coverage for 47 million Americans when we can't even find and give coverage to a few million homeless Vets?  My point being, Hillary's plan despite having a "mandate", really is based on the assumption that people will  join her plan because of it's guaranteed affordablity and access.  Not much different in actuality to Obama's plan.

In Obama's plan there is no "expectation" or "mandate", (except for children which makes perfect sense) there is an "assumption", an assumption that if given the chance to purchase affordable insurance, people will do so.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/He althCareFullPlan.pdf

The Obama plan will guarantee coverage for every American through partnerships
among employers, private health plans, the federal government, and the states. The plan both builds on and improves our current insurance system, which most Americans continue to rely upon, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. Under the Obama plan, Americans will be able to maintain their current coverage if they
choose to, and will see the quality of their health care improve and their costs go down.
The Obama plan also addresses the large gaps in coverage that leave 47 million Americans  uninsured. Specifically, the Obama plan will:
(1) establish a new public insurance program, available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers, as well as to small businesses that want to offer insurance to their employees;
(2) create a National Health Insurance
Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly;
(3) require all employers to contribute towards health coverage for their employees or towards the cost of the public plan ;
(4) mandate all children have health care coverage;
(5) expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs; and
(6) allow flexibility for state health reform plans.

NONE of these plans, (save Kucinich)  are UNIVERSAL, let that be clear right now. ALL of these plans are very similar and after actually reading them there is not a hairs breadth difference between them.  Reading IS fundamental and rather than listening to pundits or politicians, an actual assessment of their plans will tell you that as a health care user (patient) there is no discernible difference.  So it is really disingenuous to claim that one plan is so inferior to another that it becomes a non starter for you.

All three, (JE, HC, BO) plans are linked above and though it is dry and boring reading, you would do yourself a favor by actually reading them and becoming a more informed voter.

A few closing thoughts, and personal points.  As a retired American citizen, presently covered by Medicare ((which is optional and not mandatory)), who is about to move overseas, I'm wondering, since portability is a major issue for me, will I have to continue to pay for Medicare, even though it will not pay any of my medical bills out of country?  Under HC's plan apparently yes, though I'm not sure how she will enforce that mandate against me short of garnishing my Social Security check.  I do know under BO's plan I could just opt out of Medicare and buy insurance in the country I will be living in.

Finally we all know a President does not write or create law, so the chances of any of these plans coming to fruition without wholesale changes made by the Congress is practically nil.

The remaining question should be:  who is more likely to get a decent plan through the Legislature.  Judging both by past and present performance I think Obama holds the edge on that point.


Hillary Clinton is not a monster,....as far as I know.. We are all Hussein JUNIOR.. ///.. FEINGOLD/BOXER 2016
by Its Like Herding Cats on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 07:15:11 PM EST
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Re: Democrats, unite NOW against sexism and racism (2.00 / 1)

Let's here it for civility. I know I've had moments that I would call less than civil, but I am least aware of it and trying very  hard to avoid attacking Hillary's supporters as a whole. It's not fair and it does a disservice to the entire party.

One can disagree without being disagreeable.


Two riders were approaching......the wind begins to howl!
by John in Chicago on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 04:03:16 PM EST

Re: Democrats, unite NOW against sexism and racism (none / 0)

Wonderful article, which I linked to from this post on my blog: More on the "empty suit," also, of "shrillness" and the dangers of internecine warfare. Thank you for your sincerity and clarity.
by vmarinelli on Fri Feb 29, 2008 at 01:42:30 PM EST


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